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Can the most advanced stealth aircraf
Tuesday, December 6, 2005 (8:26 PM)

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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: January 15, 2006 (12:57 PM)
Right, F-117 was shoot down with a portable weapons.

Read more about NATO losses (and about B-2) at www.aeronautics.ru


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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 8, 2006 (7:14 AM)
Su-27 family will train with F-18. F-18 is not a threat for Su or MiG. F-22 and F-35 yes.

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SenorF (12)
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Posted: February 10, 2006 (2:44 AM)
The F/A-18 E and F have larger signatures then even the large Su-34. The F/A-18 A, B, C and D have about the same, if not slightly larger signatures then the Su-27.

Against stealth aircraft, it depends entirely on the nature of the battlefield. If the USA attacks another tiny, defenceless country again like Iraq (lets say at random North Korea) then they will have superior numbers, AWACS support and a massive advantage in intelligence (satellites watching airfields etc.).

Stealth aircraft such as the F-22 will no dooubt have an even clearer advantage over Mig-21's with their old radars. It would take a miracle for a Mig-21 pilot facing an enemy of that scale to get a shot off. For example if an F-22 pilot forgot to look at his monitor and got behind an aircraft to shoot it down, without realising there was another aircraft behind that one (and therefore behind him).

However in a super power war things are different. AWACS aren't a guaranteed resource and Russia has some of the best anti AWACS weaponry in the world. They have 600km range super long range anti-radar missiles that can be launched from the Mig-31. Their 4th generation aircraft are superior to the USA's 4th generation aircraft, due to being built in response (10 years later). So unless the stealth fighters make a huge impact early on, they are going to find themselves without backup and being forced to use their search radars.

Now in the early stages, these aircraft are going to go for Russian AWACS. They will have to fly through throngs of Russian aircraft, which are superior at WVR combat. Their missile range is 48km which means they will probably have to take out Russian fighters before they get there. If a US AWACS approaches close enough to support them it will be shot down by Mig-31's (with greater range then the AWACS radar). So they will need to use their search radars, which makes them visible to any aircraft within 300km, albiet briefly. This makes their mission very hard. If they turn it on to find 4 Su-27's flying only 100km away they may instantly have up to 20 missiles incoming. If they turn it on to find a Mig-29 patrolling 10 km in front, they will have an agile dogfighter coming in with perhaps 100 aircraft supporting him by firing barrages of long range missiles.

Of course in a scenario like this the USA can bring in overwhelming amounts of their old aircraft, but in order to do so they need to accept that they will lose them all. So basically, against Russia, stealth aircraft may just be a little better then useless. Congratulations, that will be $200 million, k thx bye


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fulcrum (6)
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Posted: February 10, 2006 (3:04 AM)
Good one SenorF. The problem with the US is essentally their Overdependance on Technology. Take That away (or even a part of it away) and they become monkeys in the cockpits. Even in Iraq, it was noticed that there was too much technology everywhere. And that One minor Glich somewhere or one bug in some little software will have a far reaching effect as it filters down their chain of command.

Now in a battle with a worthy opponent, though there might be initial successes, they will have to take some damage too, like say a radar here, a communication tower there or maybe even an AWACS. GPS and radars can be jammed. Now they are left in a pretty pickle. CAn we have some opinions on that.


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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 10, 2006 (6:47 AM)
One russian pilot want to fight with its Su-37 in 1997 against any other aircraft. Why USA didn't send anything? F-22 wasn't well prepared for Su? F-35 was only on paper? F-15 F-16 F-18 was like toys? Yes.

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JSF_fan (48)
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Posted: February 13, 2006 (10:55 PM)
There was never actually any formal request for a compeition sent. The US government also has its technology hiding policy that you must remember.

Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 14, 2006 (4:42 AM)
That request was not an official one (sound like war declared). But one of russian test pilot ask it.

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jadeboy (44)
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Posted: February 16, 2006 (1:45 AM)
"I know there are 3 F-117 downed and 1 B-2 in Serbia."

This is total BS. There was only 1 F-117 shoot down and NO B2 bomber shoot down. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE for the US to hide that. It's like hiding an aircraft carrier being sunk. The US don't have many F117 nor B2 bomber. The B2 bomber cost about $ 2 Billions US dollar to make, there are only 21(maybe 22) B2 bomber, don't know about the number of F117. The US don't live in a government controlled media, unlikely Russia now. There are nearly weekly leak of information to the US media in the US government all the time.


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Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 16, 2006 (5:55 AM)
It is very easy to hide how many bombers had US. It is hard to hide wrecks. GRU said about 3 F-117 and 1 B-2. However, much more than 1 F-117 was damaged.

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hello (109)
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Posted: February 16, 2006 (6:07 AM)
Sukhoy,
Do you have proof of that by any chance?
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