So F-14 with 6500Kg vs Su-27 with 6500Kg I think Su is quicker.

Russian technology is impressive, no doubt about it. But there aren't a whole lot of modern examples that have stood up in combat. Yes, most point to under trained crews as the issue, but there is quite a long track record of great on paper, but not so great when the chips are down.

In Korea, the United States fought from a toe-hold to the Chinese border. The Chinese responded with overwhelming numbers, pushed the US south of Seoul. They were then ejected completely from South Korea, and further punishment was postponed. A CONSERVATIVE estimate is that Communist forces lost 25 soldiers for every American life. 8.2 Communist planes were shot down for every 1 American Plane.

Vietnam, with all of the ridiculous rules of engagement, was still a smashing success for the American military. 10 to 1 on the ground, and although there was a point where the air-war ratio was as low as 1 to 1, it ended as high as 13 to 1 and 22 to 1 (After Top Gun was created).

Every major battle in Vietnam ended in defeat for the Communist forces. They fought well, and were very clever opponents, but losing 680,000+ is catastrophic.

The Vietnam war also marked the end of the spread of Communism in the Pacific.

The Russian war machine is a gilded lilly. They only paint one side of the ships in Vladivostok. They are bullies now.

How did there little trip to Afghanistan go?

For every legitimate American atrocity, there are thousands of Russian, Chinese, and Korean atrocities. People are tortured and slaughtered daily in those countries, but "torture" in Abu Ghraib stays in the news for years.

While the United States is in serious decline, it's self-implosion. No one in the world has ever defeated the United States in anything of any consequence. You can rail on and scream and have your little forum tantrums, but even a cursory glance at history tells the real tale. We MAY destroy ourselves, but no matter how much self-guilt and America hating goes on, the fact that we defended the world from evil during out 200+ year run at every single opportunity will never go away. The fact that the amount of aid that we send out is greater than most countries GNP. Our PRIVATE charitable giving is more than 200 billion dollars per year. That's the GNP of Poland.

You can hate and hate and hate, and talk about all the great things that heinous, corrupt, despicable governments have created, curse the US until you somehow come to a false sense of self-worth, and it will change nothing about the fact that we are the greatest power that history has ever seen, our allies are the greatest countries in the world, and that no other country of any consequence has anywhere near our military record.

Saying we've taken any technology from the Soviets is laughable. They've stolen from the Germans and the US since 1914.

A previous poster mentioned that the Sunburn renders are US defences obsolete. it's an anti-ship missile, and it was defeated in 2005.

So, when patently evil regimes build weapons of destruction, this is great. But when the United States tries to build a DEFENSIVE network to protect its' people from nuclear holocaust the world cries foul.