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Thursday, January 27, 2005 (9:04 PM)
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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 3, 2005 (6:00 AM) | | I am tired to make corrections: all of you are pratially right, exept the first guy who clearly doesn't understand anything about aviation. We know Su-27 family. It consists of Su-27 variants; Su-30, which is twin seat Su-27; Su-32 (which will enter into service next year), Su-33 (carrier based fighter on TAVKR Admiral Kuznetsov"), Su-35 and Su-37, which were prototypes. So first about Su-35: it is the same like Su-33 (it has the small frontal wings, you know), the purpose of building it was in the idea to prove avionics and other systems, they build dozen of such airplanes (701, 702, 703 until 710). So do you remember the Su-37 number!? Yes, it was "711". So, specialists in Zhukovski from the Sukhoi company decided to give the 11-th prototype another name, and it appeared - Su-37, because of the best avionics at that time, which has been used in the plane, the thrust-vector controlled engines and other agregates. (Those engines are in serial production, you know Su-30MKI and Su-30MKIndonesia, Su-30MKMalaysia). Su-37 played its role very well and even better they have expected. It made more than 500 flights which is excellent for a n experimental airplane. Thanks to those flights now we have serial produced thrust-vector controlled engines, which are the best aviation engines at that time. So, the difference between Su-35 and Su-37 is not very big. More important is: all those are planes of the Su-27 family. From the outside they are one and the same, with small differences. Russia has 6 Su-30 airplanes, only six build in the beginning of the 90-s. Now an airwing of Su-27SM is already operational, we know that. At the end of the year more than 20 such planes will enter in service. The same with Su-25SM. More interesting is that Su-32 will enter in service, I am starving to see it. |
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Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 3, 2005 (10:03 AM) | | Journalist liked the name Su-34 (they called it that way), but Sukhoi officials say: "The plane's name is Su-32FN. |
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Posted by
ytsejammer (11)
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Posted: February 3, 2005 (5:21 PM) | | Karakondsul wrote: "So first about Su-35: it is the same like Su-33 (it has the small frontal wings, you know)" Sorry, but the Su-35 is not "the same like" the Su-33. Being a carrier-based fighter, the Su-33 has folding wings, an arrestor hook and reinforced landing gear. Yes, they both have canards (the small frontal wings) and they are both based on the Su-27, but that's about it. The Su-33 is a multi-role aircraft designed for providing air defense to the carrier as well as attacking surface targets, while the Su-35 is strictly an air-to-air fighter (as best I know; you're welcome to correct me if that's wrong). |
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Posted by
Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (4:56 AM) | | ytsejammer, saying the same like Su-35, I mean from the OUTSIDE. Amateurly to say, all Su-27 family are one and the same machine (from the outside). That's why day after day we follow talking about the Su-35, the Su-37, the difference between them. I made a whole encyclopedia about the Su-27 family aircrafts, so I know very well the differences, the proper names of the machines. |
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Posted by
Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (5:29 AM) | | No, NeoDiamond. it can't. The idea of this picture was the following. In 1990 soviet military officials wanted to present the new "training airplane", that has been made on the basis of Su-27 (just about the today's Su-32) as a carrier born training fighter. And it was easy, simply tells the pilot to take off from the ordinary airfield, to fly near the Admiral Kuznetsov and to "SIMULATE" landing. This plane is just the Su-32, board number 42 (the first prototype). It can't take off and land from carriers, it hasn't the system for blind landing, which is installed on all Su-33 jets, it hasn't the landing hook and its engines are not this modification of AL-31F, which is installed on Su-33. I remember, the next day this photo appeared in western military magazines, all military aviation specialists were pretty confused. More than 2 years they really thought that this aircraft was the training version of Su-33 and it really can take off and land on carriers. In 1993, when the Su-32, board number 42, was shown on public, russian military officials explained the role of the airplane: that it was not a training two-seater, it was more "istrebitel-bombardirovschik", which will be very useful in long flight missions, when the plane with 2 or 3 refuellings can fly nonstoppable more than 12000 km. That's why they have chosen this variant of a cockpit, when the pilots can stand, make some gymnastics, go to the toilet and to have a breakfast. |
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Posted by
Karakondsul (49)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (8:03 AM) | | Yeah, partially, but who knows. Journalists use the Su-34 designation, military officials (talking about only russian) use Su-32, but because of the everyday usage of the name Su-34 even military officials used to use it. BUT as I said before, the real names that had neeb used for designation of the plane was Su-27IB (this is the first prototype, board 42), later appeared the name Su-32 for board 43, and 1995 appeared the name Su-32FN (Fighter Navy), demonstrated in Le Bourge and Farnborough, at that time appeared the name Su-34 (on the question about the real name of the fighter russian officials said, that it is Su-32FN or only Su-32, and the name Su-34 is not real. That's why the italian company for plastic models of airplanes and other vehicles "Modellieri" called the plastic model of this airplane "Su-32/34", because nobody was sure which was the real name. Even now every answer on this question is doubtful. |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (10:48 AM) | So, we don't know what to say when see an Su-32 or Su-34 Su-32FN etc.
Ok, but russians (not jurnalists but officials) what kind of name put to it? I think we must talk with the same name. We I mean all the world.
I give an exemple: About SS-18 (Satan). Putin says that western doesn't matter how named SS-18 (range 16000 Km), but russians says only SS-18.I personally don't like NATO's name in general - Flanker Super Flanker Fulcrum Foxbat Foxhound and so on. Why they call the real name? Am I wrong? |
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Posted by
Sukhoy (488)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (2:04 PM) | | Yes SS-18 is like Satan from Everybody specialy for USA 8-)) |
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Posted by
ytsejammer (11)
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Posted: February 4, 2005 (2:18 PM) | | For those that may not know, the NATO names are formed on the basis of type of aircraft (fighter, bomber, transport, etc.) and type of engines, I think (one syllable being props and two being jet). Or something like that. As for the Su-27IB/32FN/34 whatever you want to call it landing on carriers, no they can't, but the Su-27KUB (Su-33UB), naval trainer, *can* (and has) and it's based on the Su-34 with the side-by-side seats. |
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